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Posted at UTC 2012-05-29 14:03:17
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Social standards of dress

I wrote this for a discussion on an Internet forum, in response to a person saying that it was disrespectful to violate social standards about what clothing to wear in specific situations.

It's easy for you to say that if you have the ability to conform to those social standards of dress (either at all, or without going to prohibitively large amounts of effort).

For instance, dressing up is a (not entirely anymore, but still mostly) gender-segregated thing: There isn't a way to dress up, there's a way to dress up male and a way to dress up female. This causes me two problems:

  1. Since I'm agendered, there is no possible way for me to dress up.
  2. Even if I could, I wouldn't, because I hate gendered conventions with a fiery passion.
I personally deal with this by never going to a venue that requires me to dress up, but not everybody has the luxury of being able to avoid such venues.

And to some people, dress up means buy an extra garment you can ill afford.

Or Battle your depression into letting you spend lots of effort dealing with clothes and body stuff, using energy you would rather have spent on the actual task.

Or Spend all day trying to overcome social anxiety to go ask some social person to help you choose clothing because you cannot seem to understand what the conventions are.

Or many other things.

My moral system says it's intolerable to pressure someone into doing the above things merely to make them look nicer, so I cannot agree with a set of conventions that does that. So maybe there are two options left:

  1. Pressure people to do that if it's easy for them, but don't pressure people if it's too hard for them;
  2. View clothing conventions as optional and don't pressure anybody to do them.

Option A is completely impossible, since you cannot actually know how hard it is for people (unless you're going to go around asking them all the time, which would be a total waste of effort and probably a form of pressure in itself). So, lacking any other choice that isn't repugnant to me, I take option B.

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Posted at UTC 2011-08-20 03:44:19
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A little update

I still haven't been doing much for a while - mostly playing online games, watching videos, and so forth. Oh, and running a quirky Mafia variant on an internet forum - you can check it out over here on the XKCD forums if you're into that sort of thing. My inactivity has a lot to do with the fact that it's late in the summer, it's hot all the time, and I haven't been talking to other people too much. (Getting at least a little interaction with other people helps me, because it stimulates my mind and gives me new ideas.) I'm going to be going back to college relatively soon, too, and that's discouraging me from getting into projects a bit, even though I still have about three weeks left.

That said, I've still got a couple of projects running. I'm working on them occasionally, it's just that they're not taking the majority of my time.

One of them is that I'm learning more Javascript, so that I can make cool online games and utilities. Check out this extremely-unfinished game for an example of what I'm messing with. (EDIT: That's a link to the version that I wrote at the time of this post. This is a link to the current version, which I will keep messing with.)

The other is this: Since I'm blocked on the graphics editing software project, I've started just drawing stuff in an existing graphics program (namely GIMP). Here's something I randomly sketched a few days ago:

Image [see below]

(That's an image hosted on an external site. Tell me if it breaks. A transcript is in a footnote.1)

I've also started sketching characters for a fairly absurd short comic (3-4 pages, probably). I might end up drawing that in the next week or two.

Speaking of posting comics here on this website, that's yet another thing that I'm going to need to do programming work for. It's not a problem if I just stick them in blog posts for the moment, but it'd be nice to have a more formal way of presenting them. I'm still planning to post that novella, too – I've edited it as much as I need to, and now the only thing stopping me from posting it is that I haven't been feeling like doing the technical end of things (and, again, I want it to be presented more nicely than just sticking it in a blog post).

Anyway, there's an update for you. Things will probably get more interesting when I head back to college – I'll try not to get so busy that I don't have time to blog, heh heh.

– Eli

Footnotes:
  1. Transcript of the above image:

    Text: What shall I draw? thought I.

    Picture: A cartoon of myself, with an excessively cheerful expression, thinking: Maybe something DARK & DISTURBING?

    Picture: A gaunt face drawn in white on a black background, surrounded by orange streaks. Its thoughts are written messily: I DON'T KNOW WHY I'VE BECOME LIKE THIS. I AM SO COLD, COLD!! I DON'T NEED ANY HELP!!

    Text: What sex is our friend the pyromaniac? I find it easier to read zem as male, but is the face actually characteristically male or is it just that I'm more familiar with that exaggerated gauntness on male characters, while our society makes people draw female people in pristine condition always?

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Posted at UTC 2011-07-19 16:36:12
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Pornography

Before we can really talk about pornography, we have to know what it is. Of course, defining pornography is notoriously difficult; there's even a quote from a former United States Supreme Court Justice saying perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so.1 I usually don't like going to dictionaries for answers, because dictionaries are usually a few steps behind the natural evolution of the language, but here, I'll go ahead and ask a dictionary. At the time of this writing, Wiktionary defines pornography as:

“
The explicit depiction of sexual subject matter, especially with the sole intention of sexually exciting the viewer.

That wasn't so hard.2 So, we're basically talking about stories, pictures, videos, and so on, of people having sex or being in sexual situations, whatever that means.

Anyway, sounds great, right? I mean, most people enjoy a certain amount of sexual excitement. And, compared with other ways of getting sexually excited, pornography is incredibly low-risk and easy to distribute. Some ways, like printing lots of pornographic magazines, consume some of the Earth's resources, which is kinda bad, but we now have digital media and the Internet. And I don't think anyone has ever been physically abused by their porn, or gotten pregnant from it, or anything like that.

And it gets better: Exchanging honest depictions of anything helps people, because knowledge is good, and the exchange of ideas helps people understand things better and learn about other people's perspectives. As I've mentioned before, this is especially important right now for sexual stuff, because our society has nowhere near enough honest conversations about sex and sexuality. Sure, there's lots of sex and sexuality in our society, but it's mostly yucky. Like, even more yucky than most of the other stuff in our society. That's pretty damn yucky. So we could definitely use more good pornography.

But wait!

Since I already quoted one famous person in this post, I might as well quote another.

“
...pornography is the orchestrated destruction of women's bodies and souls; rape, battery, incest, and prostitution animate it; dehumanization and sadism characterize it; it is war on women, serial assaults on dignity, identity, and human worth; it is tyranny. Each woman who has survived knows from the experience of her own life that pornography is captivity--the woman trapped in the picture used on the woman trapped wherever he's got her.

That's Andrea Dworkin.3 I'm quoting Dworkin because ze's essentially the icon of anti-porn feminism. I disagree with some of the things ze says,4 and there are definitely some problems with zir writing, but ze did have a lot of insight and a lot of influence on the feminist movement.

So, um. How did we get from Pornography is pretty cool to Pornography is totally evil?

Let's take a step back and I'll tell you something. I've been watching some porn videos recently. Free, online porn videos, to be specific. I won't give links, because I have a policy of not linking to things that are openly racist, sexist, and so on,5 but they're not hard to find.

But Eli, you say, How can you enjoy porn if you don't feel sexual attraction to people?. It's a valid question. And, first, it's true – I don't enjoy most porn. But there's some porn that I do enjoy, because although I don't feel sexual attraction, my mirror neurons are fully functional. When I'm watching a porn video, I can feel as if I'm one of the people in the video, and imagine how it feels to be doing what they're doing; I can identify with them.

But, in mainstream porn, with very, very few exceptions, I can only identify with the female people.6 I'd kind of like to be able to identify with the male ones, because they have bodies that are more like mine, but when male people do appear in the porn I've been watching, they just don't act like they're enjoying themselves. When they're on top, or standing, they hold themselves in a really stiff way, and don't relax. When they do relax, when they're supposedly receiving pleasure, they just go limp. They don't squirm around like I would or like the female people do. In short, their bodies are more like mine, but their behavior is so much less like mine that I can't relate to them at all.

And that's part of what Andrea Dworkin is getting at. Mainstream porn has a certain amount of variety, but it only shows a very limited range of what male sexuality is supposed to be like. It says: If you've got a penis, you're not supposed to enjoy yourself; you're supposed to be dominant over other people. And... seriously! There is no good reason for that! It's a bad thing to do and it isn't what people want! Seriously, science people have studied it, and it turns out that when you ask them in private, most male people will tell you they actively dislike the whole masculinity equals dominance (and hypersexuality) crap! It's like people who say that movies with female protagonists won't sell, even though there is already abundant evidence against that assertion! It seems like the entire industry is conspiring just to annoy me, because there really isn't a better explanation than that!7

And, besides that, there are about a million other huge problems with mainstream porn, like the way it sets prescriptive standards for attractiveness,8 and the way it's often a model for unrealistic and unhealthy beavior. And that's how we got from porn is pretty cool to porn is really bad: by looking at how it's actually practiced, rather than just considering it as an abstract concept...

...and those are the points on which I agree with Andrea Dworkin and anti-porn feminism. There's a big problem with pornography. So what's the solution? Their ideal solution is to eliminate porn entirely. Now, I'm going to ignore the fact that that's impossible, becase as you probably know, I'm a big fan of pursuing goals that seem impossible. What I am going to say is that, if this impossible goal was achieved, it would be horrible! Current porn has problems, but in essence, pornography is a good thing, a healthy thing, a positive thing. If I made a porn video that kicked people in the face, then I would be guilty of kicking people in the face, but it wouldn't be because I made a porn video; it would be because, for some bizarre reason, I decided to have it kick people in the face. And in exactly the same way, if I make porn that's degrading to a particular group of people, or that promotes unhealthy relationship dynamics, then I'm guilty of degrading people and decreasing relationships' health, and that has very little to do with the fact that what I made was pornographic.

The solution to the problems with porn is to make better porn.

Hmm, maybe I should do that sometime.

– Eli

Footnotes:
  1. See this Wikipedia article about that statement. back
  2. I guess it's not hard to define it as long as you're not trying to decide when ambiguously-written Puritanical censorship laws are allowed under the rules of an equally ambiguous document, namely the United States Constitution. back
  3. This is from Dworkin's book Pornography: Men Possessing Women. The relevant section is hosted here (TRIGGER WARNING for details of rape and physical violence). back
  4. Like saying that sadism is a bad thing. It's totally okay if you practice it with consent from all participants. back
  5. Remind me to write that post about why we can sometimes get positive effects from stories even when the stories have big problems in them. back
  6. Since mainstream porn has very rigid gender roles, this implies both female-sexed and female-gendered. back
  7. I think it's actually just because the people in the porn industry aren't very creative. back
  8. Like be female-sexed, shave every part of your body except your scalp, have long hair, and be white – and when a non-white person DOES appear in mainstream porn, they're fetishized, which just goes to show that no matter what you do, you can always find a way to do it horribly wrong. back
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Posted at UTC 2011-06-17 05:15:19
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Nudity

So, I was thinking about this game I'm writing. I mostly only have vague ideas at this point, but it's going to be one of those games where you control a human and walk/fly/whatever around exploring the world and fighting various enemies. And maybe you'll find various equipment – different weapons and armor that you can switch around.

I'm a mathematician, so I love generalizing things. So I looked at the switching-around system and said How much can I generalize this? And so I immediately thought of allowing you, the player, to switch off your arms and legs and replace them with robot arms and legs, or use cool bio-technology to give yourself tentacles instead. And you can't really have a switch one thing for another system unless you can switch one thing for nothing. Maybe you could take off your arms and sell them in a shop? Sounds ridiculous, but I've definitely played games where you can do things like that!

But anyway, the real thing I want to talk about isn't taking off your arms, it's just taking off your clothing, which has a lot of different social implications, for some damn reason.

So I've got a choice. Do I allow the player to have zir character take off all zir clothes,1 or don't I?

Suppose I do. Then I take a nice walk into the wonderful world of sexual exploitation! According to the stereotype, the people who will use this feature are mostly horny teenage male people who are sexually attracted to female people.2 Most people from the real world would be creeped out by the idea of a super-powerful being from another reality staring at them when they're naked, so it would be reasonable to assume that the character doesn't like it either.3 Which means that the player who does that is taking advantage of zir character; it's simulated voyeurism, and voyeurism is pretty icky.

Okay, that sounds bad. Suppose I don't do it. Then I enter the wonderful world of prudishness! I live in a society where nudity is a taboo; that social norm applies to most of the developed world, so statistically, since you're using the Internet, it's probably true where you are too. And it's really bad. Suppressing nudity, and suppressing depictions of nudity, makes people uncomfortable with their bodies. The fact that I am writing this post in the first place is because we think it's a big deal when someone isn't wearing any clothes. If people didn't think that being naked was inherently sexual, then the sexual exploitation thing wouldn't even be an issue. So if I design a game that could easily have the characters be naked, but doesn't, then I'm actively contributing to our taboos, and making the problem even worse – including the very problem that I described in the last paragraph!

Aaaaaaarrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhh!!!!!

Okay, time to settle down a bit.

The two opinions I just wrote are pretty standard opinions that apply to a lot of things. Look at advertisements on TV and the Internet. A lot of them have sexually suggestive pictures of female-sexed, femininity-performing people who aren't wearing very much clothing. It's pretty terrible, because of the way it makes female bodies into something that's for sale, which makes some people look at female-bodied people more as objects than people, and so on. So there's a strong temptation to look at it, say This is pretty terrible; let's fix it by doing the exact opposite!, and then try to fix it by going on a crusade to eliminate all female nudity. Which is equally terrible, because when you do that, you're suppressing the sexuality of a lot of female-anythinged people, and making them just as self-conscious about their bodies as they were when they were exposed to the mass of supposedly-perfect-looking images of their sex/gender/whatever on TV and the Internet!4 Oh, and it makes people who think they're perceived as male be totally uncomfortable about expressing their sexual attraction, too.

There's a lot of issues that have similar temptations. Here's another example: Suppose I'm writing a story with a powerful, evil, controlling character. Suppose the character is male, cis, and generally gender-comforming. That's annoying because it's the cultural default – big surprise, it's another male person in control. I'm representing male people as being in control and female people (assuming there are female characters ze's manipulating) as being weak or powerless. So, suppose I decide I'll make the evil character be female instead. Then it gets worse! Because there are also stereotypes about female people being evil and controlling. Instead of being an Oh jeez a man is in charge story, it's a You'd better watch out – don't put a woman in charge! story. And if I make the character be androgynous, or a robot, or whatever, then it becomes an anti-androgyne or anti-robot story.

That's not a unique example. That kind of thing happens basically whenever you write a story that has people with genders in it. This sounds like a job for...5

DIVERSITY!

Yeah, you can have the same story, except put a lot of other characters in it that contradict the same stereotypes. Like I could have the evil male dominator, and also have an evil female dominator. Or I could have just the evil female dominator and have a secondary female character who has a lot of authority and uses it well. Or I could make there be a lot going on in the character's life that makes you sympathize with zem and not think of zem as a stereotype, even if you still don't like the way ze's all evil and stuff.

On the other hand, that doesn't solve my original problem from this post.

On the third hand, my original problem is easy to solve. If I write the game in a way where it fits,6 then I'll have the nudity in it. Problem solved!

Do you have any idea how patronizing it is to say that the game is responsible for people's sexual objectification of female people? I don't mean patronizing to me – I mean patronizing to them. A game is just a way for you to imagine stuff, and it's ridiculous to say that a person can't imagine all the naked, sexually available people ze wants to, within the privacy of zir own head. In fact, by having the characters in my game appear with a variety of different human body types and skin colors, I'll be improving the overall social justice of zir sexual fantasies!

Plus, there are lots of good reasons to allow naked characters. Like, because it's totally awesome to go around kicking ass without wearing anything, regardless of your gender or sex, and games are a vehicle for imagining that you are the character in the game. And because it's a challenge, if the clothing in the game is actually useful for anything. In the game Nethack, one of the fun ways to restrict your play is the naked challenge – try to win the game without ever wearing any clothing or equipment.7

That's one difficult question answered, I guess. I like having answers to difficult questions!

– Eli

Footnotes:
  1. Assuming ze was wearing any in the first place. I think it's pretty cool to give the player complete freedom of choice by not sending them into the game with clothes already chosen for them, but that's a different issue. back
  2. Well, that wouldn't happen if the character never looks female. But if the character is always male, that's just the same old male-as-default sexism that's been around for ages; I'm not going to do it. I suppose I could make the character always be androgynous, but recently, I've been deciding that it's a better idea to show diversity than to gloss over it. back
  3. Well, not really. There's plenty of people in real life who are totally okay with other people looking at them in a sexual way, so it wouldn't be reasonable to assume that everybody isn't. But saying Maybe the character is okay with it! is a pedantic excuse. back
  4. I'm being a bit careless about dividing sex from gender here, because different people have entirely different ways of responding to social pressure, even within the same sex and/or the same gender, so anything I say about this is a vague generalization that applies to some people and not others. back
  5. Sounds like a job for is a cultural reference to the line This sounds like a job for... Superman!. I said I'd avoid unnecessary cultural references, but in this case, the line has the same meaning regardless of whether you get the reference. On the other hand, most people will probably read this footnote, which wastes lots of extra time, and maybe therefore means that making the reference had a bad effect after all! back
  6. Which I probably won't, because I don't have nearly enough time to write the whole game before my tablet arrives and I start doing the graphics stuff instead. back
  7. Of course, Nethack doesn't have a graphical display, just text, so it avoids the issue of whether to display nudity. back
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Posted at UTC 2011-06-13 07:38:52
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Scrutinized words: man, woman, boy, girl

On my website, I have made it so that whenever someone uses any form of the words man, woman, boy, or girl in a post or comment, it appears with a mark of scrutiny. Observe: man, woman, boy, girl, men, women, boys, girls. Womyn and wymyn1 are also included for completeness, because I've seen people use them on the Internet. I wanted to include guy in the list, but guy also means a lot of other things.

Why?

Because they're ambiguous to the point of absurdity, and sometimes they mean things you don't want them to mean, ambiguity or no ambiguity.

Now I'm going to take a step back and explain that. The trouble is, since there are so many ambiguities built into the language, it's not easy to do that. So I'm going to take another five steps back and explain things from scratch.

Part one: Gender

So, there's this thing called gender. I wrote a little about it in my post about why I use the pronoun ze and scrutinize she and he. Gender is really important, but nobody knows what it is, so I'm going to skip to something that's easier to describe.

So, there's this thing called sex.2 In the case of humans... well, humans are diverse creatures. Some of them have vaginas, and some don't. Some have penises, and some don't. Some develop lots of facial hair when they reach puberty, some develop breasts, some have their voices deepen... and some don't. By a quirk of biology, most of these attributes are strongly correlated with each other, so we've grouped all the attributes that usually go with each other into two convenient little boxes. There's the box of deep voices, facial hair, and penises (and a bunch of other things), which we call the male sex, and the box of breasts and vaginas (and a bunch of other things), which we call the female sex. So if I have a human, and I ask a biologist what sex that human is, then the biologist will look for the attributes from each of those boxes, and if they all fit in the male box, the biologist will tell me that the human is male, and so forth. If the human's attributes don't fit neatly into a box, the biologist will give up, go back to zir laboratory, and invent a fancy theory about why not all humans are the way ze expected them to be. But the real reason that not all humans are the way ze expected them to be is that we don't know everything about how humans work yet.3

When a biologist writes something like men have greater testosterone levels than women, ze is talking about sex.

There's another thing called subconscious sex. All humans have brains, and brains are really weird. Brains often have strong senses of what is right, or what should happen. It's quite common for a human to have a strong sense of what zir body should be like, and if it's a sense about the attributes that we call sex, then that sense is called subconscious sex. Fortunately for most humans, that sense usually matches what their bodies are actually like. Unfortunately, the ones for whom it doesn't are in quite a pickle. Fortunately, we have enough technology to change most of those physical attributes through surgery and hormone supplements. Unfortunately again, those things are expensive, and our social and legal systems are full of discrimination against people who have to do that.

Since neither our society nor our science understands subconscious sex very well, people don't usually talk about it.4

There's another thing called assigned gender. When a person gets born, everybody around them usually goes and looks at their genitals and either says It's a boy! and starts giving them toy trucks, or says It's a girl! and starts giving them dolls and frilly dresses. When they do that, they're assigning the baby a gender; the baby usually doesn't get any choice in the matter. If its genitals don't fit the other people's notions of what male or female genitals look like, then they probably do weird medical tests to decide which they think makes more sense,5 because they aren't okay with just saying it's not male or female and leaving it at that. Giving people different toys because of what gender you've assigned them is called sexism. Because our society is so sexist, people of different assigned genders often end up experiencing the world in significantly different ways.

When a trans-exclusionary radical feminist says something like I'm talking about real women – women who were born and raised as women, ze is talking about assigned gender.

There's another thing that I don't know a good name for. (Please tell me if you know a good name for it!) That's the gender that people usually decide you are when they see you. People are usually very stupid, so they look for easy cues to decide gender. Except that usually the cues they look for are physical sex cues, not gender cues; they look for breasts, facial hair, etc., so they're basically trying to decide your sex and they just assume that picking a gender for you based on that is okay. The main exception is that they also look for how long a person's hair is, which doesn't really make any sense because it's really easy to change how long your hair is, regardless of your gender or sex, if you have access to a pair of scissors.

When a person is in a room full of people they don't know and asks something like who's that girl over there, wearing the fuzzy hat?, ze is talking about zir immediate gender identification of that person, whatever you want to call it. I'm going to use the phrases male-perceived and female-perceived to talk about this concept.

There's another thing called gender roles. Remember that list of attributes associated with sex? Well, there are also lists of behaviors associated with gender. People usually expect you to do the behaviors associated with the gender they've picked out for you, and a lot of the time, they'll actively or passively discriminate against people who aren't doing them. The main difference between the gender lists and the sex lists is that the sex lists are biological fact, while the gender lists are arrant nonsense. I'm not even going to dirty this blog post by telling you what they are where I come from, because you probably hear about them all the time, and if you haven't heard about them, thank goodness for that!

When someone describes a female-perceived child who plays with male-perceived children at physical sports and games as one of the boys, ze is talking about gender roles.

There's another thing called gender identity. For one reason or another, some people think they actually are a specific gender, as opposed to just being assigned into it, or doing the activities associated with it, or subconsciously being of the sex associated with it. I haven't got a clue what that means, but it seems to be really important to some people, so I generally acknowledge that it is a thing that exists and is important. There are a lot of things that exist and are important even though I don't know how they work.

When someone refers to a male-identifying person as she, and ze says something like dude, I'm a guy, ze is talking about gender identity.

So, have I made my point yet?

Part one and a half: No I bloody well haven't!

The thing is, that whole essay about gender and sex and stuff isn't even the original reason I decided to scrutinize these words. I'm not saying it's not a wonderful reason to try to use more specific language, and to avoid overused, ambiguous terms like woman and boy. But that's not the real reason that I have for avoiding those words, and I think it's a weaker reason.

After all, a person could say something like this:

“
So what if people use those words to mean a lot of different things? Lots of people use lots of words incorrectly every day; that doesn't necessarily mean that you should avoid the words. It means you should use them correctly. And they're useful words, too: Think about how using the terms trans man and trans woman affirms trans people's identities, in a way that language like FtM and MtF don't. Your unambiguous language would say trans female-identifying person or non-female-assigned female-identifying person, which, to my ear, sound like they're raising a note of skepticism about that identity, rather than affirming it.

Well, okay, hypothetical person. I like what you're saying. But since you're advocating the continued use of the word man, and you say you can use it in an unambigous way, I'd like to know what exactly you mean when you say man.

“
Simple: A person who identifies as male.

So if I'm eight years old, and I say I'm male, then I'm a man?

“
Oh. Sorry, I meant An adult who identifies as male.

Yes. Yes, you did. But what the heck is an adult, anyway?

Part two: Age

The same way I talked about in my post about she and he, there are two problems here. One has to do with how we categorize people, and the other has to do with the fact that we chose an overbearing binary categorization system in the first place.

Passive exclusion

Suppose I'm addressing an audience, on the topic of feminism, and I say Women in this country face pervasive discrimination. There are two problems with that sentence. The first problem, of course, is that it's true. The second problem is that there are plenty of people who face the exact same kinds of discrimination I'm talking about, but whom I've left out. Discrimination doesn't magically start when you hit adulthood, so by saying women, I passively excluded a lot of people.6

I decided to scrutinize these words because I kept catching myself saying things like that.

On a related note, think about the hypothetical person I was talking to. Ze didn't even notice right away when ze said people and really meant adults. That's an easy mistake to make if you've internalized the notion that non-adults aren't really people. Both this and the example from the last paragraph are instances of ageism. Ageism, as you've probably guessed, is active or passive discrimination against people of a marginalized age group. In general, all people who are not yet adults (whatever an adult is) are a marginalized age group. (Ageism also includes discrimination against people who are much older, because of their high age; that's not the subject of this post, but I'd be wrong to leave it out of the definition.)

Active discrimination

Okay, now go and re-read my post about she and he, except this time, replace she with child, he with adult, and the minority of people who obviously don't fit in the gender binary with everyone who lives past the age of twelve. Go on, I'll wait.

When does a person become an adult? What the heck is an adult, anyway? It's just like the whole gender thing: Like gender, it's really, really important in society, and like gender, nobody has a clue what it really means.

As long as man, woman, boy and girl are our primary words for talking about people with genders (or sexes), we're going to have problems. It's not just a problem because it makes it awkward to decide what to say when you're talking about someone who's fourteen years old. It's also a problem because it creates a politics around the age categories. It makes every healthy conversation about gender into a secret nasty conversation about age, and every healthy conversation about age into a secret nasty conversation about gender. Even if you think it's okay to view specific events as coming-of-age events, we have language like You're a woman now and separates the men from the boys to make it so that you can't just be an adult... you have to be an adult in a gender-binary way! And that's not the only terrible thing it does. Let's look at another specific example:

So, there's this issue of people calling adult female people girls, all the way up through their forties. Some people say it's bad because it reduces competent, independent adults to children.

Sure, that's bad... if you were thinking of children as lesser in the first place.

Think about the schoolyard insult You hit like a girl. It's pretty obvious how sexist that is. It's not sexist because you're telling a male-perceived child that ze's weak; it's sexist because the basic assumption of the statement is that female children suck at hitting because they're female. Of course, it's also an insult, and you shouldn't be insulting people anyway, so it's bascially a really bad idea on both counts. It's a statement that I'd be happy to blast from the language, and never look back.

Now think about the statement that calling an adult a girl is infantilizing. It's true, just like it's true that that You hit like a girl is an insult. People call adult female people girls because they think of female people as lesser and also think of children as lesser. But if you call out the sexism and not the ageism, you're just like the male child who yells back I do NOT hit like a girl! and leaves the basic, sexist assumption intact.

Like I said in the she/he post, that's only a symptom of the underlying disease, and the disease is the fact that our language pushes us to judge people based on their age before we make statements about their gender.

My solution...?

The easy way to communicate clearly is to say exactly what you mean (or as close as you can manage), and figure out which things you're thinking are true, and which are just convenient assumptions. Let's look at an example: Suppose we're debating abortion rights. Quick, tell me! What group is directly affected by access to abortions?

If you said women, go find a buzzer so that you can make an annoying buzzing sound to mark your incorrect answer. The group affected is people with functioning uteruses. A lot of people with functioning uteruses aren't adults, and not all people with functioning uteruses are female-identifying. Of course, there's nothing stopping you from talking about how sexism affects legal abortion rights campaigns because of the strong correlation between functioning uteruses and female gender roles, once you acknowledge that, and by saying people with functioning uteruses, you have neatly avoided all the passively ageist and cissexist language. It's a lot of syllables, I know, but if worst comes to worst and you have to say it over and over again, you could always come up with a shorthand for it or something.

A few syllables is a small price to pay for a healthy society.

– Eli

Footnotes:
  1. Womyn is an alternate spelling of woman. It was created by feminists in order to have a spelling that didn't contain man, as if men are normal and women are a special kind of men. I think this is generally a positive step to take, but the word has become associated with a particular brand of radical feminism that is extremely hostile to trans female people. A key example is the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival, an annual women-only event that has excluded trans female people and admitted trans male people. Since I am personally trying to avoid the word woman entirely, I do not have to decide how I want to spell it. back
  2. Actually, there are two things called sex. Here, we're talking about the one that's a physical attribute of humans and most other animals. I'll talk about the other one in a different post. back
  3. By the way, the currently accepted term for people whose physical attributes don't fit neatly into a box is intersex, as in that person is intersex. Although people don't generally use the term intersex to describe people who start out male-sexed or female-sexed and then deliberately alter their bodies to change that. back
  4. Which is a shame. Remind me to write a post about how not talking about subconscious sex resonates with other neurodiversity issues. back
  5. And they often also perform unnecessary surgery to make the baby more like they think it's supposed to be. What a bunch of assholes. back
  6. You could argue that I'm not obligated to include everyone when I make a statement – after all, I have already excluded everyone who's not female, and hence left out a lot of people who face much worse gender-based discrimination than the average person who is universally perceived as female. However, if I'm talking about a kind of discrimination that is actually related to their female-perceived-ness, then that exclusion that is necessary to the basic idea of what I'm saying. Excluding people by age has very little to do with what I'm saying, so it is not justified, especially since it's an attack from a position of privilege – adulthood – against a group that lacks that privilege. back
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Eli_Dupree says:
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Scrutinized words: she, he

On my website, I have made it so that whenever someone uses any form of the pronoun she or he in a post or comment, it appears with a mark of scrutiny. Observe: She, he, her, him, hers, his, herself, himself.

I also avoid using those pronouns myself, and use the gender-neutral pronoun ze instead. I've listed the forms of ze, as I use it, in the table below:

As subjectAs objectPossessive
adjective
Possessive
pronoun
Reflexive
sheherherhersherself
hehimhishishimself
theythemtheirtheirsthemself
zezemzirzirszemself

Why?

Because to say she or he is to explicitly declare a gender for another person, and that level of explicitness should be matched by how visible the word is in the sentence.

Since she and he are structural components of the language, it's very difficult to avoid using them if you're not willing to modify the language itself. And because they're so hard to avoid, they actively divide all humans into two classes: The she-humans and the he-humans.

That division is called the gender binary. I don't like it.

If you include the gender binary in every sentence you write, speak, or think, then it becomes part of what you think about when you think about any person. You start judging people based on their apparent gender, rather than on whatever is actually relevant to the discussion. Obviously, that's a pretty silly idea. And given our world's huge amount of public and private discrimination against humans who don't fall neatly into the gender binary (hi!), and against humans who fit neatly but fall on the she side, it's not just a pretty silly idea – it's a totally terrible idea.

Consider this: Have you ever felt uncomfortable because you didn't know what gender another person was? Now, have you ever felt uncomfortable because you didn't know what another person's favorite color was? If you answered Yes and No, then welcome to the wonderful world of thinking that gender is a uniquely essential quality of a person!1 Our social norms say that you're supposed to judge other people based on their genders, and so a lot of people get uncomfortable when they can't do what they're supposed to. The whole system of judgment sneaks into your head by starting with the benign-seeming judgement of whether you're supposed to use the she pronouns or the he pronouns.

But that turns out to not be such a benign judgement at all. When you do it, you're helping society judge whether whoever you're talking about is a she-human, or a he-human, or someone who doesn't really fit in the little boxes they're supposed to fit in. And when I say society, I mean the kid sitting in the front of your class who's going to bully the doesn't-really-fit kid when you're not looking (or maybe when you are). I mean your male friend who doesn't think they're being sexist, but who always talks over their female friends in conversations. I mean the person who lives down the street, who seems pretty nice, who tried to rape and murder another person last week, just because the other person didn't fit our standards of she or he.2 Obviously, when a person commits rape or murder, they bear the sole responsibility. But that person thought it was okay because people like you said, I care so little about those people that I won't even change the way I talk to stop excluding them.

So what do we do about it?

I don't expect you to stop using those pronouns entirely, any more than I expect you to magically solve all the world's problems at once. What you can do is to notice when you do it, and be aware of how that affects the way you're communicating.

Now, if only we had a way to do that automatically get your attention whenever you let one of those words pass without comment...? OH RIGHT.

If you're more ambitious, you can start cutting back on your use of these gendered pronouns, and start using gender-neutral pronouns. There are a variety of options for this. One is to use the singular they; if you look back over this post, you'll see that I used the singular they a lot. In most cases, it's unobtrusive and it gets the job done. Some people say it's grammatically incorrect, but those people are wrong.

"They" doesn't always work, though – one of the advantages of she and he is that they're two separate words, so they can, given the right genders of people, refer to two different people unambiguously. Getting rid of them already loses that advantage – it means that even if you have a female person and a male person, you still have to use the same pronoun for both of them – and it only gets worse if you also have to use the same pronoun for a group of people as for the individuals. So, it helps to have a pronoun that is third-person, explicitly singular, and doesn't assign a gender. English didn't have any of those for a while, but now it has lots of them. If you've read this website much, you've probably noticed that I use one of them in particular: ze.

Since the structure of ze is so similar to the existing pronouns, I have had an easy time adding it to my vocabulary. And it has another nice advantage over they: When people argue that I shouldn't use it, it's easy to engage in the real conversation about gender, while with they, it often gets bogged down as a conversation about grammar.

The other most common gender-neutral pronouns are the Spivak set: ey, em, eir, eirs, emself. I personally don't like this set, because I feel like I'm mumbling when I say them out loud, not to mention that ey and em both have other meanings, or at least are pronounced the same as words that do. But it's a set I've seen used in a bunch of places, so I thought it would be prudent to mention it here. It also bears mentioning that there are a bunch of different variants of ze, from ze/hir/hir/hirs/hirself to zhe/zhim/zher/zhers/zhimself; I picked the set I use simply because it feels the most natural to me.

That concludes my thoughts for now. Since this is the reference post for everywhere that she and he are scrutinized, I may update it from time to time.

– Eli

Footnotes:
  1. This is also a great analogy because lots of people just assume you have a favorite color, but not everyone naturally has one! back
  2. Well, usually it's not just because they didn't fit in the gender binary. Usually it's also because they were a person of color, and/or mentally disabled, and/or homeless, and/or... well, you get the idea. back
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